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Old 05-30-2003, 10:28 AM   #11
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Patrick....I'm going to use a chest type freezer instead of a refrigerator and just turn it "up" they last all night without cycling anyway....heat will be electric with high "R" value insulation and thermopane insulation/window blankets....I/we have been in one propane explosion and I'm not going to go through it again...I was the lucky one. I just went through a window. One of my business partners wasn't so lucky and eventially died of an infection while healing from burns....so propane inside a vehicle is OUT! I would be using the A/C more than heat anyway as I head south when it gets cold in Cincinnati. With high efficient appliances/insulation, there is a very small generation requirement as well as a low current draw when in a park/camp site. I have no need for-phones- tv-stero-computer-vcr-radio entertainment when I'm traveling- I read. Solar is inconvenient and too costly for now. These are the issues that I have isolated so far.....geof
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Old 05-30-2003, 10:41 AM   #12
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Bill: I only have two nights to be off in June for the Nashville-I still don't know which they will be yet....everyone else makes plans for me and then tells me ..."you got'a do this and that"... so some time that week I will be there for two nites....and I,of course, I want your opinion...and I want to see your mods before it's decision time....and I have to reach for the checkbook....{gaggings sound}...Most of the other rigs I have seen up close and people I have talked to are car raceing types and I have nothing in common with their lifestyle-I could care less about Nascar...so far[Satan go away]...you are the only person I know that uses the Showhauler for family camping/vacations.....geof
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Old 05-30-2003, 11:06 AM   #13
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Look forward to seeing you.

One nice part of using as a motorhome in campgrounds is no one else is. So I usually get about 5-10 visitors per day asking about it or want a tour. I should start charging! So far it is a lot of fun.

Bill

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Old 05-30-2003, 01:25 PM   #14
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Doug, I guess you wouldn't have to use LP. But if you did the fridge would use about a gallon a month or $1.00 If you run the diesel generator it uses 10-12 gallons a day or $15.00.
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As far as space heating and water heating go, have you thought of the Espar(Eberspacher) line of Diesel-fired heaters? They use very little fuel for what they do. Also, I found out that there are even Diesel-fired catalytic cooktops (vented to outside) made by Wallas of Finland mainly for marine use. It would pay to use Diesel for whatever you can, mainly because it's efficient and you're carrying so darn much of it. You really can't bitch too much about running the Diesel genset for 12 hrs. to run the fridge since it's already running to operate the A/C units. And since you're more than likely carrying more than 150 gals. of fuel, 10-12 gals. a day will hardly be noticed, and that number is HIGH even if run 24 hrs. a day. Just my .02
PS I guess my one big thing here is to avoid propane or LP use like the plague. WAAAAY more hazardous than Diesel.
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Huummm...The Espar unite has some merit....have to look into that Monday....IIRC they are about $1500 for the whole unite....heat and/or hot water out of the same unite....valving would be the differance between summer and winter....Great Idea if they can produce maybe 5 gals. per minuite contunious at 110 degrees....Thanks for the idea....I was thinking 220 vt HWH and 220 vt electric heaters with fans...maybe around 13,500 Btu at 20 amps....Insulating the HWH so water would stay hot overnite and/or with a timer come on in the AM 2 hours before wake up time.....maybe not just flip the switch when you awake....and there are some instant electric HWH...requiring NO storage tank for around $500....geof
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Old 05-30-2003, 10:29 PM   #17
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You bring up some good ideas for electric appliances; what brands are you thinking of in the units described? I too will look into electric stuff because, as you say, the ol' genset can keep it all going cheaply. I guess you can either use Diesel to do the job, or use it to generate the juice to do the job. whichever works best, I guess. This is the place to bring the ideas! Anybody else?
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Old 05-31-2003, 04:27 AM   #18
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geoff et al

There is always spirited debate on the MAK publishing bus conversion board about all electric coaches. Beaware that when you start adding up all the parasitic loads the battery drains can get up there. Having said that.

Danfross compressors seem to the rage for saving electricity. Various refrigerators use them try www.backwoodssolar.com as a source, not sure I got the right number of s in their address. They know what they are talking about.

If you have read phred tinseths articles on all things electric and appliances you should do so, I keep copies of his articles in my rv as reference materials.

The webastos and espars are good, you can also pre heat engines on cold weather with them, do a search for marine suppliers and sometimes they sell compelte systems with toe kick heaters etc. There is a guy that sells complete systems for rvs and the crs has set in and I can't come up with his name, but will do so as soon as I sign off.

re diesel gen sets, they are not meant to be turned on and turned off quickly. i.e. hair curler syndrome. (do I have too explain hcs to you guys?).

re propane, I am still fat dumb and stupid (well two out of three) as I have heated my house with it, and use it in my rvs, not having had a problem with it.

to each his own.

When I remember the web site for the complete rv system will post it.

Chuck

PS Still haven't found a (*&&()^& side mirror for my Volvo, dumb, dumb, dumb.
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Old 05-31-2003, 08:03 AM   #19
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I share the concerns about LPG, and find them enough of a concern that I would be unwilling to have it if I can avoid it. Our office is also the coroner's office due to a crazy law here in Washington, and I've seen the aftermath of serious crashes and fires. No thanks.
I would try to set up the system in such a manner that there would be lots of storage capacity, solar panels to get what I can, and do much of the charging etc while running down the road. Also, I plan to have a decent shore connection so that the self contained options is redundant flexibility, not the primary means of operation.
In addition, the A/C is going to be the main consumer of energy. I have no heat tolerance (it's genetic), and my comfort range is far lower than most people's. I also have big dogs, who need to be kept cool, and I don't like the noise and safety problems of open windows. Given this, the incrimental increase related to some appliances is not likely to be a major issue.
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Chuck-
Are you thinking of the company called Vehicle Systems who make the Aqua-Hot and Hydro-hot Diesel-fired water heating and space heating(with hot water) systems? To me, this looks to be the real deal. The "works" of the system hangs off the vehicle frame, and heats the interior w/ small heat exchangers thru which hot water circulates. Website is www.hydro-hot.com. Check it out!
PS- Danfoss has no "r" in it, FYI.
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