Researching the purchase of a Toter
 

Good morning folks,

I'm a newb to the world of Toters. I don't have one yet and i know that there are numerous reason to justify getting one and so far the only cons that I've come up with is the cost of the Toter as well as the repairs maintenance. Which is the norm for any vehicle/house really. I'm interested in getting one so i'm trying to weight my options and all the factors before i commit to a purchase. I know there are a lot of things to watch out for and so i'd love to hear what ya'll have to say. This is especially important to me since there are not many in my area and i'll most likely have to travel out of state to get one.

Currently i have a Ram 3500 dually that i use to drag around my 42' dual tandem axle gooseneck on wheeling trips. I will haul either 2 or 3 rigs (depending on the length of the rigs) to go wheeling and usually we split the fuel costs to help. During summer months we typically stay in a hotel and eat in town while out on these trips. That definitely adds a lot of costs to each trip and is the main justification on getting a Toter. This will be 100% private "RV" use since we don't wheel for money or anything, just for fun. We usally end up having to spend a good bit of money for the trips since we wheel hard and things do often break. haha

I've been doing some research already but i know there is lots of information out there and i don't know, what i don't know.

What i'm thinking as far as options/features (and by all means, please offer any suggestions/opinions on the matter):

-Used Toterhome that would ideally have enough room to sleep 6.
-Full manual (but i've been reading some discussion on the fact that the fully automated manuals aren't as bad as i had initially expected/read). Just mainly want the most reliability on the road.
-Thinking single screw at the moment but it all depends on the options out there.
-Depnding on the cost, may look at trading in my dually since this would then be the tow rig.
-I'm not concerned about fancy features or things. So, i'm looking at ones under 80k.

Thank you in advance and i look forward to the discussion and learning as much as i can.

There is a good deal on a 17 foot renegade on racing junk for $84k, if I were you I would go with a freightliner Columbia cab with a Mercedes and auto. They hold their value and seem to be the norm for most toterhomes.
I had a 16 foot 2004 renegade, but I needed more room and upgraded to a 28 foot motorhome version. The 17 foot version has a 12 foot slide out and can realistically sleep 5 adults.

Here is a pic of my old setup, we were heading to Florida to play in the mud.

Nice setup. One thing that may be a big deciding factor if i can go the Toterhome route, would be what the overall length limits from the DOT? I live in FL but most of my rock crawling is out of state. My trailer is 51' nose to tail (granted part of the nose is in the bed of my truck so that cuts some length down a bit).

Does the DOT harass folks with Toterhomes much for recreational use? I know I've seen several discussions about that very topic but it seems to go ether way from what I've read.

I think most states are 65 feet max, some out west are 75. In my pic above we were right at 76 feet bumper to bumper. We hauled from nc to Florida and back with no problems. But you honestly never know, we had a few dot officers pull up beside the rig and take a look but we were never stopped. We also never go through weigh stations, we are recreational not commercial. My toter is titled and tagged as an rv. I do have a cdl drivers license for my work, just in case.

The toter was a 16 foot with a 40 foot gooseneck.

That is good to know. What got me started on the Toterhome idea was the initial thought of getting a truck camper to set on the front of my gooseneck deck. But then i started thinking about just getting a Toter and the overall length limit would be a big deciding factor.

How many people could yours sleep?

2 in the over bunk, 2 on an air bed in the slide out couch, and 1 on a jackknife sofa, about 5 adults max, 4 worked better.

That size could work. I'm estimating 2 people per rig with 3 rigs on the trailer so I'm trying to account for that. So the size of yours is pretty close.

I think you may run into conflict with ability to sleep 6 and stay under length limits. But look around, you might find one that can make it work. The problem with converting a dinette or even a couch, is they tend to be kind of short to really stretch out. So the main BR and the overhead bunk are both long enough, but the couch or dinette are not so good for adults.

I suppose you have already been looking on racingjunk.com, that seems to be the best place to see a lot of toterhomes for sale. Your budget is OK, you will be dealing more used and higher miles, but that does not mean used up. Remember that most of these truck conversion chassis are designed for 1 million miles as a class 8 truck. Engines may or may not go that far before some overhaul work; and there will be some chassis work needed during that 1M miles.

As to the engine and trans, I suspect you will have to decide if what you find will work for you and your use. Never heard anyone complain about too much power, but too little can be heard. If your 1-ton can handle the pin weight of your trailer, certainly a single rear axle will be sufficient, even given higher truck and RV portion weight.

I know this is a more complicated solution, but have you though about a longer MH that has a garage as part of the RV box portion? Then get a two-car tag trailer to replace your three-car gooseneck trailer. Once at your location, the vehicle in the garage stays outside and you can use the garage for sleeping area. Lot of toy haulers use fold-down bunks, you could do similar or just an air mattress.

I agree, I've started more research and looking into the overall max length allowed and most states seem to be 65'. With that length, i'm already pushing it with just my dually and trailer (currently 68' long). I've wondered about the dinette and if it would be tall enough for an adult and i'm glad that you brought that up. i will admit, I'm not against having air mattresses on the floor either. After all, we are going rock crawling so most of us are used to camping on the ground any how. haha That would just depend on if there was enough room on the floor for one in the walk way space. The overall length issue has me thinking about possibly getting a truck camper and setting that on the front deck of my gooseneck when i go on these trips. They are definitely smaller than what a toter would offer but with slides should be able to sleep 4. Which would work since I'd be down to only hauling 2 rigs on the trailer, roughly 4 people then. Also, in that situation, i wouldn't want more than 4 people since that's about all that would fit comfortably in my dually for long trips anyhow.

Yes, i have been looking and I've seen several. The down side besides the mileage and age, is that it seems as though no matter what, i'll have to travel a good distance to just look at the rig in person. i certainly don't trust a "used car salesman" and would want to know what i'm getting into ahead of time.

Thank you for the suggestion and i'll definitely look into that. But if i'm not mistaken, the issue with a toy hauler is that the garages usually aren't big enough to fit a truck inside it (they seem built/designed for side by sides and ATVs). I will admit, i'm just basing this off of the toy hauler travel trailers since i didn't realize that you can get a MH with one. If one would fit inside, that definitely would be a great idea since that would gain a lot more room for sleeping.

I welcome any and all ideas/feedback everyone may have on this.

My GN toter has a 15' box, class 8, and it was 31.5' from the front bumper to the hitch ball. I have since moved the ball back an additional 22.5". Make sure you check front axle/tire capacity before purchasing. I think I have mine figured out after moving a bunch of stuff, but GN toters can be very heavy on the front axle.

Search for "garage" as term on racingjunk, there are truck conversions that have a 16-20 ft length range garage area, and rated for weight of a vehicle. Not a toy hauler 10 ft garage, although you can also find those. The full size garage may put you into twin screw rear axles setup. The full size garage are intended for real vehicles, not golf carts or side-by-sides.

Agree about front axle weight, seems all of our truck conversions are pretty heavy on the front axle due to the longer wheelbase.

Thank you for the info! i'll have to do another search for those as well.

Does the "door tag" tell you what the front axle weight is rated for?

Yes, but of equal importance is what your tires are rated for. My front axle is rated for 13880#(if I remember correctly)

You'll find a lot if you search it on here. My motorhome was nearly 2K# overweight on the front with an empty trailer, winterized, and half fuel. Scales said 15500# and it had 6100# tires on the front......wow.

Most certainly, that and the what the wheels are rated for as well. although probably not as common of an issue?

Yeah, I've been researching already and have learned a lot. It's definitely a different ball park when working with these rigs.

I'm setting my racing operation up to go commercial in case I do that someday. I want to roll through scales with no issue. I'm in the process of moving the generator and aux water tank behind the rear axle.

An easy fix for the front tire loading is to go with 315/80R22.5 tires. These have the higher load range rating and capacity. Best rated for 9-inch width front wheels, but can be mounted on 8.25 inch width with slightly reduced load rating. The axle rating is a different story, several have had to swap to higher rated axle and components.

BTW, the front axle weight issue is also a problem for the high end class A MHs. Some of those are running even higher load than the truck conversions do.

Yeah, that's why I figured I could move some weight back behind the rear axle by moving the generator (800#s), aux water tank(500#s full), and possibly the batteries. My math tells me full of fuel, water, etc, I should be right around 14K or slightly less. I put 295 tires on the front rated at 7830 each. I think I will be good. On a side note, after having several motorhomes, gas and diesel, this rig with a stacker trailer is world's better than anything I've towed with. We've been through some pretty hefty winds the last few weeks and we didn't even notice. My wife is also very happy now.

Thank you for the feed back. I'm glad to learn these things now before hand. Please, keep them coming.

Something I did not think was a big deal until after I bought mine, class 8 truck. I will be near front and rear capacity fully loaded. My truck has a gvwr of 36XXX. I looked at some toters that had gvwr in the 29XXX and 33XXX range. Sounds like you may not be hauling a lot of weight, so it may not be as big of a deal. I also am carefully making sure everything would comply with a commercial situation.

I'm estimating weight to be around 25k. That would include the trailer and 3 rigs on it plus some spare parts/tools/etc.

Whoa, heavier than me...lol. As long as you don't look commercial you shouldn't have any problems, but I'm guessing you will have a tough time keeping a single axle under 20K with that kinda weight.

i personally don't think it would look commercial seeing how it would be 3 beat up rigs on a trailer that don't really look street legal. lol

you think it would have 20k on the rear axle?

Well, goosenecks typically are designed for 20% on the ball. So, at 25K#, you would have 5K# on the ball(on paper) My rig was 15K# with an empty trailer and no water, food, half fuel. I would think you will be over. My truck is rated for 22+K#'s though, but federal laws say 20K#. Probably won't have an issue with the law though if you don't look like your making money.

What do you mean federal law says your rig is 20k?

Federal Bridge Law. Probably should Google to understand fully.

Actually I meant everything pertaining to the rear axle weight I was talking about. Sorry, I get in a hurry while working and don't explain things properly.

I may be wrong. I thought federal weight limits were 20K, but now I see where it states "if less than 40" from another axle"

No worries, thanks, i know there is a lot of info out there that i don't yet know so i'm all for finding the laws that would pertain to this scenario.

Basically, for the 40-50K we will be hauling, I was only concerned with keeping the rear axle under 20K, and the rest of the axles under rated capacity.

That certainly makes sense there, thanks for the info!

I've actually been giving your suggestion a bit more thought and the more i think about it, the more i like the idea. Enough so that i think this is the route that I'd prefer to go for several reasons really.

One, this would give me more sleeping space as you mentioned. Two, by fitting one rig inside the garage, that will allow me to use a shorter trailer (thinking max of 32' tag trailer) which should put me closer to being at the length limit. Three, if i want to just take a trip wheeling by myself, i don't have to haul a trailer at all. There were a couple other reasons i like this better but as i sit her in front of the keyboard...I'm drawing a blank. go figure. lol

The one question that i do have about the Toters with garages; what are the dimensions of most garages? I know that is a hard question to answer, but I've seen a few that are 16' long which is great, but my concern is the dimensions of the door. The rig that will be going into the garage is 92" wide, 80" tall, and just under 15' long.

I do have a set of smaller rollers that i could throw on the truck to fit it within the width of the garage opening, but that'll be a bit of a pain to swap out each time i go play. On hindsight, that's not much of a difference than what i had to deal with when i had my diesel drag truck. lol

Another question for those "in the know", any idea why someone would have a Toter build with a garage but not put a rear entry door to drive a vehicle inside? I recently found one out in SC that looks beautiful and like it would work, but there is no way to get a vehicle inside short of cutting the back wall off and building a door myself.

we do this at the track
I occasionally pull a buddies car trailer & have used it for over flow lodging, or more comfortable sleeping for folks that didn't account for sleeping in a non-air conditoned tent...In the heat and humidity.

....we added LED strip lighting in the trailer and a 15k BTU AC unit to the his 20' trailer...only need 15A to run the trailer AC unit (30A is a luxury)....It makes for some REALLY comfortably cool (potentially frigid) and very dark sleeping.

https://www.truckconversion.net/attac...08f85e1b6e.jpg

I've seen garage units done two ways... one is to build the whole thing on top of the frame, the other is do a step-down on the frame and build the floor of the garage after the rear wheels. The 2nd method is easier to load but it takes some engineering to make it strong enough to pull a trailer and you will get rear swing with the wheels so far forward. If you use the 2nd method you will need bulkhead / gusseting to give it lateral strength, or you will need to incorporate the rear ramp as part of the structure when closed.

I looked at garage units before I bought my latest renegade. The biggest drawback that I saw was that most of the garage units do not have a large hitch, most just had what looked like a 2 inch receiver. Two rigs on a 32 foot trailer would be a load on a 2 inch receiver.

Not to be a wet blanket, But having read you're from florida. Florida is Hammering all the guys with "toter" homes. The law actually reads that if any weight from the trailer is supported by the tractor it can NOT be registered non commercial. You CAN register a class 8 box truck as a MH. but not anything with a Gooseneck or 5th wheel. So if you are going to register it as a MH you need a "garage coach" or a truck conversion/tag trailer. Hopefully this helps, If not PM me and I can walk you through the detalis as I have a class 8 with a MH title.

I found a 32' international on racing junk in 2012. We have been slowly upgrading it . We use pull a 24' trailer with an FJ40 and a mini truck to play
Perfect set up for us. I can sleep 6 comfortably and 10 if we fold out the sleeper chairs and futons.
(40's rock on IH8MUD)

At 63' tip to tail, we can still get in and out of off-road parks easily. We even ran it out to the Rubicon and got down into the parking area easily.