Any info on LEGEND Conversions
 

Hi,
I am looking at purchasing a Legend conversion garage unit motorhome with a MB motor. I have searched the web looking for information on these units but I can not seem to find many. I found this website for the dealer :

Becks Custom Coach & Trailer

The seller said its the same as united specialties. Can anyone confirm this or help with any info as to the quality of this conversion. It looks really nice but I would like some info. Thanks !!

Well, I don't know anything about Legends. I went to that link and they look pretty nice. The construction looks very similar to my United Specialties. United Specialties went out of business in about 2009 I believe. I visited their factory mid '09 and it was located in White Pigeon, Mich. Your link for Beck's has a link to Legend's home page. I went there and their site only says they make trailers. There is nothing about truck conversions. Odd. It says they are located in Eureka, Mich. Googler puts that 138 miles from White Pigeon, Mich. So, I don't know what, if any, connection there is between United Specialties and Legend. I don't think I've ever seen a United Specialties coach with that molded one piece rear cap. But I haven't seen that many United's. I have a flier for their rigs from 2009 that I'll check to see if they started putting that one piece rear cap on (I have the flier in my rig and won't be going to my rig for a bit, it's in my storage condo 30 minutes from home). I do like the info that Beck's shows for Legend construction (don't know where they got it since the Legend site doesn't say they make coaches). Looks pretty well made.

looks exactly like our '04....only 100k and change more :o

Thanks for the info. The unit im looking at is a 2007 ( sorry should of stated that) I have been looking at them for a long time and it looks to have all the options of a renegade, show hauler, haulmark ect... That's why I was trying to get info on the actually build quality. I talked to a local dealer and they said they are nice coaches middle of road build obviously not a chariot or ikon but right there with the rest of them.

The devil is always in the details. Try to get into the walls and check the welds ... quick and dirty? or good beads.

Look at the "components". Are they "good ones" or the "cheap ones". What kind of wiring does it have? Is the wiring and plumbing well supported? Is the wiring well bundled? or does it look like a birds nest? Crawl inside as much as you can, does it look like all routing of the plumbing wiring was thought out all butchered after the build was well started.

Good luck!

$200k does seem a bit high. Have you seen the Hawk Engineering site? He's got a very nice garage coach for sale there. $135k I think.

Wait, the garage coach they have listed there shows $146k. But there is no info about it. Other than a 515 h/b motor with 12 speed. That sounds more like a Detroit motor than a MB?

Oh wow, looks like you bought it: https://www.truckconversion.net/forum...-class-c-7182/

Now, first thing, don't call it a "C" or even a "super C." It's a "Truck Conversion."

Very excited for you. Let's get some pictures up and info about it.

Ya we put a deposit on it and are picking it up Wednesday !! We are excited can't wait to enjoy our truck conversion motorhome hahaha thanks for all the help. Checked with the local dealer and ran all specs last them and they said it was a good coach all the options and equipment are good. Hopefully we are not disappointed !

You need to run the specs by us. Hahahahaahahaah. Engine, trans, axle ratings, gen set, leveling system, water capacity, etc.....

haha that is true !

2007 freightliner legend Cl120 chassis

450 hp Mercedes-Benz Motor. Fully Auto Transmission (eaton fuller rto- 16910b-dm ultra shift). Twin Screws. 4Leg automatic hydraulic Leveling System( with upgraded foot prints larger) . 2Refrigertors. 3 TVs. 10KW Onan Generator. Celling extra 6" height. 13ft Slideout room,and 5ft slider in bed room. 2 gas heater. gas and elec hot water heater. Full shower. the truck has a 10ft garage with a/c and heat.With 1600 lb lift. the interior is all cherry cabinets,with black leather and marble 40,000 pound hitch outside entertainment ( tv grill freezer / refrigerator)

hope this helps ! Let me know if there is anything else I should look for ?

Tanks are 62 grey, 25 black, 150 fresh

trying to upload photos not sure if it is working !!

looks nice !

thanks how do the specs add up ?

sounds similar to our '04 - ours has the same motor (pre-emissions, no egr cooler) but ours has the ZF / Meritor 12 speed auto.

1st time ive heard of having TWO heaters.

your gen is same size (10kw) - which will be PLENTY (expect at 1/2 a gallon per hour consumption).

youre gonna LOVE that outside cooler (no ice to buy)...I added one to ours and we use the hell outta i.

your tanks are similar size except we have 220 gallons of fresh water (twin 110s under the queen bed).

oh just saw your black tank size...man are any of these things built the same ;)
ive got twin 60 gal holding tanks for the black & gray.

Looks great! Is this your first motorhome? Do you plan to use it just for camping or are you going to pull a trailer to a race track or horse event? Cycles or a smart car in the garage?

My tanks are close. 200 fresh, 75 gray, 25 black. Those black/gray ratios work pretty well for us. Usually the black will beat the gray to full. Once I filled the gray before the black got full.

I use a Pressure Pro tire pressure monitor system and really like it. Might want to think about one of those. I most often pull a enclosed car trailer and it works good to monitor the tires on the trailer too since I probably wouldn't be able to feel a tire blow on that.

My truck had a very rough ride up front when I got it. I just assumed that's the way it was supposed to ride. When I replaced my steer tires we found nothing inside them to balance them. I put the Dyna Beads in the new steers. Wow, what a difference. If you think yours is rough maybe check that.

GATE - is this your 1st camper ? 1st Coach ?


because of our tank size weve only once come close to 3/4 full on our black tank and that took almost 4 weeks while visiting / parked on my MIL's curb.

even on a 3 day race weekend w/ 3 or 4 in the coach (dry camping) we generally dont fill the gray tank - and on the same type of weekend we're lucky if we use 1/4 of our fresh water.

for us - the gray tank always fills 1st...and i know others that have "leached" or trickled their gray (soapy) water on the ground after the sun goes down - most parks or campground frown upon this but its just soapy water.

Because Bob also mentioned - I would also recommend a TPMS system - it'll provide you at least some notice if not early warning of a tire failure...ive found its also saving me LOTS of time (no need to check tire pressure before a trip, just turn on the monitor)...no need to drag out air hose and attach it to a compressor (i use a co2 bottle now, but used to use the coach compressor).

I have the Truck Systems Technology TPMS system - lots of different axle configurations (capability to exceed 18 tires) & the TST system has the ability to add & drop a trailer or tow vehicle as needed. We dont always tow our jeep, but when we do, we monitor those tires too.

the TST system doesnt just monitor pressure, it also monitors tire TEMP (its one of the few if not the only system, that i know of that reports TEMPERATURE) - temp increases can signal failure or other issues (stuck brake, worn axle bearing, etc, as they will transfer heat to the tire too). The TST will set off its alarm if there are sudden PSI or TEMP rises or drops either in number or by percentage increase or decrease.

the TST system will warn of over pressure or under pressure.

Like bob recommends - i would suggest a good FULL alignment & tire balance - i found a worn spring bushing on the rear of our coach that was causing some early tire wear & gentle pulling of the coach.

Thanks for all the info its very helpful !! Yes this is my first motorhome. I have a few friends with them but I have never owned a camper or motorhome. I actually don't even know what the different color tanks are for haha im guessing the black is to hold waste, grey to hold all other water ie: shower and sinks?? And obviously fresh water is what I fill up before we go !

The tire system does sound great... where is the best place to buy one ?

The previous owner made the same comment about how his front end was rough over 75 mph so he had something installed and said it is way better .. maybe the same thing you are referring to.

Is it possible to run the ac while driving ? Also how often do you charge batteries ? After every trip ?

Are there any must haves that I should put in the motorhome ?

We are taking our first trip this weekend to Nashville !

I will be using this for camping and towing our boat ( only 7500 pounds) So I don't think it will be struggling that much haha we originally were looking at a class a diesel but after a lot of research we decided the trucks were a better bet for safety, longevity, repairs, and some other stuff.

I just have to figure out how to fill this thing up and make right turns I should be good haha thanks for all the advice !

No plans for the garage it was just a good price and we figured we can keep the dogs back there along with any other storage items. We do not have any kids yet so the small bedroom will be fine since its just us !

ours is our 1st too - so youre not alone.
go big or go home i guess ;)

youve got the tanks correct, and the dump valves on the ROAD side (aka drivers side) should be labeled - gray is sink & shower drain water (soapy water basically unless someone is peeing in the shower...and they shouldn't...you might pick up some light food grease or food bits in the "gray" water too but you should try to minimize that stuff going down the drains).

black water is what goes down the toilet.

your fresh water tank is probably under the bed - no need to keep it full & carry all that weight unless youre dry camping....which is a general ref to no power/water or sewer connection availability.

you only need to run the water pump when there is no external or city water supply (garden hose connection).


best price i found for the TST system was direct - i think camping world sells it now too but its the same price - theres a couple of choices for transmitters - ones inside the wheel, and a couple that screw onto the valve stem.

ive got the transmitters that screw on the valve stem - and i bought the units that have a user-replaceable battery, the batteries last about a year (and i can buy replacement batteries for less than 1 dollar each)

TST has transmitters that have a non-user replaceable battery (they claim 5 year life) & those will have to be returned to TST for battery replacement (along w/ a charged fee).

they also now have a new transmitter that permits pass thru filling of the tire...no need to remove the transmitter if the tire needs air...seems more desirable but i swear not that i have the things i might put air in the tires once a year....and theres no need to check the tire pressure (just turn on the display).

you can run the HOUSE a/c while driving (we often have to, living in texas & summer heat etc) - the roof A/C units run on 110 ac current - so you either have to have the generator running (going down the road) or be connected to shore power.

there are TWO sets of batteries - engine/starting batteries & house batteries.

the house batteries get charged 1 of a couple ways.
by the generator (when its running) or by a converter/charger (when connected to shore ac current).

the converter charger supplies 12v power to your HOUSE lighting & other house 12v sources (fridge, heater, water pump, etc) when youre connected to shore power.

the converter/charger also converts 110 ac current to 12v and charges the batteries - some converter/CHARGERS are better than others (some are simple trickle chargers, than can boil a battery dry, others have built-in battery maintainers).

when our coach is parked in our storage bay, i disconnect ALL the batts from the coach & engine (via a switch) and i charge them with a battery tender or battery minder - intelligent chargers (like the once mentioned) will keep the batteries fresh and ready w/out shortening their life (like a trickle charger will do).

water hoses, water filters (both for city water supply when youre at campgrounds or need to fill your fresh water tank.
tools, a multimeter, duck tape, flash lights, black water tank deodorizer, pots pans etc.

also some disposable gloves (for use when dumping the black and gray tanks)
i also have some thick rubber gloves for this now too.

extension cords & 50amp adapters (coach probably has a 50a plug but you may find that campgrounds only have 30a...or 15a....and youll need adapters to get you from 50a to what ever is available.

see camping world etc for this stuff.

youll have a blast.

swing wide on the right turns....personally i prefer LEFT turns....and when you can make your left turns from the outside (not the inside) lane...itll give you more room.

I would not drive without my tpms sensors. My tri axle trailer was prone to tire failures (at least until an upgrade to 17.5" wheels/tires cured that) and on a triaxle trailer you can't even feel a flat tire unless you literally hear it blow or see something flapping in the mirror, and that certainly is true of anything towed behind a TC. I figure my tpms system has paid for itself in saving tires, for example you pick up a nail or something and develop a slow leak, the monitor lets you know so you can pull over and save the tire before it goes completely flat or blows out. And that is not even considering how much damage a blown tire can cause to the motorhome itself. And when you have advance notice it gives you some time to pull off the highway to a safe place while the tire still has some air. That said, it can't prevent a tire that blows completely out of the blue, but that is really rare, normally a tire is going down and gets way too hot from running with low pressure, and then blows.

The whole deal is just great peace of mind, plus saves me a bunch of time pre trip because I was always one to check every tire before every trip.

I have the TST system, the older version with the non-replaceable batteries. Today I would buy the system with the replaceable batteries instead as I have had to send a number of sensors back over the years that quit. They charge you $20 for "batteries and seals" (including labor and shipping) to repair and return a sensor, but in my experience they have never actually done that, they just send you a new one.

Well worth the investment, as I mentioned you can pay for the system with one or two saved/repairable tires that would have blown out otherwise.

Talking about the batteries. I have three batteries that start the truck motor and generator motor. Then I have two deep cycle 12volt batteries that power everything in the house. Mine has a large round switch in the storage area where the house batteries are. I can set it so those 2 batteries power the house. Or I can turn it to use the three truck batteries to power the house. Or I can set it to use all 5 batteries at once. Now, when I'm plugged in to shore power and set that switch for both sets (all 5) my converter/charger will charge all 5 batteries. At least that's what I thought when I bought it. But I used a volt meter checking the batteries I found different voltage on the truck batteries vs. the house batteries. I contacted United Specialties (they were still in business) and learned they wired that jumper lead from the big switch through a dash switch and then to the truck batteries. So, as long as I have that dash switch turned on it'll charge those 3 truck batteries. Great. I have never shut that switch off since then.

Now. What I like to do is keep all 5 batts tied together when I'm plugged in in my storage condo. My converter/charger is a Iota with smart logic that won't overcharge and keeps everything just right. Then, when I pull out and go on the road I switch that big round switch to only the house batteries. That way I'm using those 2 batteries to make them work a bit. If I plug in somewhere I switch the breaker off that powers the Iota (it's much easier for me to switch off that breaker from inside the coach than to go into the storage compartment and unplug it. I can also easily switch it back on when those house batts need a charge). That way I give those house batts some good exercise. I usually keep those truck batteries out of the loop when camping and running down the road. They get good exercise on their own that way. You might have one of those large round switches like mine. If you do set it to connect both sets and then check each battery bank with a volt meter to make sure you don't have some other switch in there like I did.

Awesome thanks so much for all the advice. This is definitely helpful I would not of thought of most of this. The tire system sounds like a must !

Tire Pressure Monitoring System FOR CAR Truck OR RV TPMS 6 Sensors | eBay

is that what I need ?

Tire Pressure AND Temperature Monitoring Systems 6 Flow Through Sensors TPMS | eBay

or this one ?

I have these:
Home - Truck System Technologies, Inc
buying them direct is about the same price as from a dealer, so I'd buy direct. Also, I carry a spare sensor or two so if I'm on the road and one acts up I can change it out right away and keep rolling, and send the bad one back at my leisure. Generally pretty reliable, but I had some of the earlier versions that went bad (that they replaced under warranty, no questions asked), the new versions seem better. Overall happy with the brand.

They will tell you you need the signal booster for longer units, but I have not needed it. No problem picking up the sensors on a 40' trailer with just the unit hanging on the dash.

Nice looking rig, congratulations on the purchase. I found several other Legend conversions online and they look very similar to my United Specialties. I know a dealer that sold United's and rebranded with their name (Swan Creek) so maybe that was the case with Legend.

I've been very happy with the build quality of mine so far and feel it's a well engineered conversion. I have several friends that own them as well and they've had good luck also. These trucks drive great and everything works like it should. My wife and I don't miss our previous motorhome and are happy we made the move to a conversion.

I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts after you've had a chance to use it. Enjoy!