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Old 03-14-2003, 08:35 PM   #11
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Hi Mike,

I wrote a column concerning registration on the "Larry Zeigler" (that's me) section of truckconversion.net. You might check that
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Old 03-14-2003, 09:42 PM   #12
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When the roads get bad....I'm the first one in the truck stop with a lot lizzard or two and we sweat the storm out together.....sorta.....not only that but I get the best pick....;&gt....geof
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Old 03-14-2003, 11:36 PM   #13
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Thanks Larry,
I did read all the posts in your "Larry Zeigler" section and I will attempt to use the techniques you suggested in your "Registering a Tractor As A Motorhome" post. I have read all the statutes in the California Vehicle Code but their definition of a "housecar," as the code calls a motorhome, is vague. The pertinent portion of CA. VC 362 reads:

A "house car" is a motor vehicle originally designed, or permanently altered, and equipped for human habitation, or to which a camper has been permanently attached. A motor vehicle to which a camper has been temporarily attached is not a house car...A house car shall not be deemed to be a motortruck.

I'm not certain if the word permanently means that only an integral sleeper would qualify and modular style, detachable sleepers would be precluded. The statute does not specify exactly what equipment is required to qualify as "equipped for human habitation," and I haven't yet discovered whether any other written requirements exist that are not included in the vehicle code. Bill R said the info is scattered throughout the CVC but I haven't found anything else yet. If anyone knows, please post it or let us know where to find it.

As I said, I would be fine with a non-commercial registration but the code seems to imply that all trucks, even pick-ups and vans, are commercial vehicles for purposes of registration (and thus will pay some amount of surcharge). It's probably just a revenue thing. I don't know how much commercial plates for a tractor are here, but I'll bet it's high (and commercial reg. would mean a CDL requirement and all the other headaches that go along with that).
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Old 03-15-2003, 04:18 AM   #14
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Bill registered his Volvo in California just as I sold it to him with no additional modifications.

A 610 Volvo has an integral air ride sleeper. Many truckers live full time in their trucks. Therefore, they are fit for human habitation. The Volvo was "permanently altered" by removing an axle and shortning the frame. Before and after pictures may be helpful.

The Volvo already has a bed. I install a microwave and refrigerator. I now install shore power also and can install inverters.
A pota potty or chamber pot can be installed.
There are many creative ways to meet any other requirements inexpensively.

Just be prepared
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Old 03-23-2003, 05:26 PM   #15
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Larry,
An update on my search. I spoke with someone in the DMV's main office and discovered that a set of written requirements does exist in a DMV manual. The requirements are very similar to the Missouri requirements posted by JoeHDVoyager on December 08, 2002 under "Tennessee Says "No" to Volvo Motorhome". The DMV official was willing to read them to me but informed me that they cannot be issued to the public. When I inquired as to how the public would be able to meet those requirements if not allowed to see them, she admitted that I had a good point but reiterated that her supervisor forbid giving out any copies to the public. I haven't physically gone into the local DMV office yet (I see that as a last resort) because I don't relish the thought of standing in line for four hours only to be told I can't have a copy. However, now that I know the written requirements exist and I know what to ask for, I will try that next.

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Old 03-23-2003, 06:59 PM   #16
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike E:
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"they cannot be issued to the public. When I inquired as to how the public would be able to meet those requirements if not allowed to see them, she admitted that I had a good point but reiterated that her supervisor forbid giving out any copies to the public.
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Hi Mike,

That sounds like total BS to me. The DMV people are notorious for making up requirements on the spot. What authority do they have to withhold public information?
National Security? Ha Ha. None. They have none. They simply don't want to register a tractor as a motorhome, so they will feed you a line. I know it can be done.
Bill Ramsey has done it. I have another customer in California who is going to seek help from Bill in getting his registered next week. Im betting he gets it done. I also recently sold another Volvo that will be going to Ca in about a month. I'M not saying its easy. I'M saying it can be done. If your vehicle meets the written requirements, you are able to go over the requirements point by point, and you are willing to stand up for your rights.

Later on,
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Old 03-24-2003, 09:00 AM   #17
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Hi Larry,
Yes, it sounded like BS to me too, and it really irritated me to be given the run around like that. And I didn't even tell them I planned to convert a class 8 truck so this is just their usual degree of obstinance. However, Bill R offered to mail me his info packet which I'm sure will help. In the meantime I will go into my local DMV office since it is a little harder to dismiss a determined person who is standing right in front of you. A person with local knowledge advised me that the least busy time at my local DMV is the day after a holiday which sounds like good advice anywhere but since I can't wait until Memorial Day I will grin and bear the line. I'll post anything I get.
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Old 03-24-2003, 05:30 PM   #18
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Mike,

I think it would be next to impossible to get the DMV in CA to agree to register something they can't see for themselves. It's tough enough when you have the vehicle sitting outside. Without it, describing what you plan to do is not likely to make much headway IMO.

I have a buyer in Ca who I think plans to enlist Bill Ramsey's assistance in registering his Volvo, hopefully this week. I'll let you know what happens.


I currently have 2 white 2000 Volvo with autoshift transmissions. One conversion is just about finished. I should have a webpage for it by Wednesday night. I'll post the site on the for sale section of this forum then. This Volvo is my best conversion ever. This one is already sold, but I have a couple more in the pipeline.

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Old 03-27-2003, 12:54 PM   #19
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Mike,
I gave Bill R the info as how to get it regestered in Ca. If he sends it to you, you should not have any trouble. Some of the requirments was that it be two axle, Have a bed, refiidge?, cabnets, Porta-poty, sink, not all have to be presant. You must look in the vehical code book in health and safty, page 168 I think not shure on page bill may have that. You Can look it up on line just go to state of ca web site and find dmv site and look up code book.

I did my Pete 330 last year after paying 1,200 Bucks the year before. This year was $317.00-----

Hope Bill sends His info to you as I misplaced mine. Good luck Mike.

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Old 03-29-2003, 03:30 AM   #20
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Thanks Steve,
Bill R did send me a package and it was interesting to see all the things done to his truck. However, the package did not include the California requirements or info on how to get it registered in California. I know that Bill's truck had already been registered as a motorhome in Oregon so perhaps many or most of the modifications had already been done and they were sufficient for Ca. However, I will be starting from scratch so I need to know the actual equipment required. I know such a list does exist and I will try to get someone at the DMV to give it to me. The info is not in the vehicle code. It is in a manual that the DMV uses but is not generally available to the public. If it is available online, I haven't found it yet but if anyone knows, please let me know. As a law student, I have access to Westlaw and Lexisnexis Research System (legal databases) so I can easily pull up any statute or regulation from any state but it helps if I already know the section numbers. I have been a little preoccupied this week due to the birth of my new son so I will get back on it next week. Later.
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