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Old 11-03-2016, 05:15 PM   #41
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Phil, Do you have any type of a race name or markings on your HM or trailer now?

We leave ours all white with nothing on it other than an NHRA sticker on the back of the trailer. Our friends have a Toter and trailer with their family racing name on the door of the truck and got stopped in California last year. It opened the door to a whole bunch of crap for them. The Highway Patrol said they had to have DOT numbers and a CDL since they race, have their name on the rig & win money and trophies. I still wonder though if they have their truck registered under their racing name or LLC. I know this is a whole other topic of discussion but thought I'd bring it up since you say you race. The MH's seem to blend in to the crowd a lot better that we do in our trucks.

That auto shifter control stuff is cool. I would like to ride in one of the auto rigs one day.
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Old 11-03-2016, 05:28 PM   #42
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Ive heard of cases like DeepVee has mention - but i don't have any real knowledge of anyone i know having been stopped.

I've HEARD of situations where TxDOT or DOT waited outside a track and pulled over privateers - and wrote them for NON CDL and failure to maintain DOT compliance....the case was made that the cars (inside the trailer) had stickers on them & even if they were CONTINGENCY stickers you were still getting "paid" (commercially?) to race.
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I don't want to side track too much but it all seems to come down to weather you'd have to claim prize money as income and you can't write off as a business expense. Most all non-professional racers would have to claim it as income if they don't have an LLC. This is why I think the family I know may have gotten ticketed since their stuff may have been registered to a racing LLC. There was a good discussion on this on one of the Vegas sites since NV was ticketing a lot of rigs a while back. These are from an FMCSA guide book.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:07 PM   #44
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I race but it is club racing and no cash, trophies, or anything is awarded. PCA, Nasa, etc road course racing. Sebring, Road Atlanta, Road America, Watkins Glen sorta road course racing. No contingency stickers. Just gentlemen racing. No money involved other than the expense of race tires every weekend and travel expenses and then of course all the crash damage. Yes, we do occasionally crash our cars, and Porsches are easily totaled due to the many compound curves in the monocoque chassis.
So no risk of a challenge about getting money and therefore no contest about a commercial license.
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... PCA, Nasa, etc road course racing. Sebring, Road Atlanta, Road America, Watkins Glen sorta road course racing.
....NOLA?, MSRHouston?, MSRCresson?, Hallet? TWS?
The trailer i tow is for a buddy that runs an RX8 in NASA TTC/D.

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No contingency stickers.
now wait a minute - i know NASA (sponsors) provide contingency money and parts (brake pads & tires)....its my understand that these can be construed as payment or purses.
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Nope, I think you guys might be all wrong. I have a friend that is a Federally licensed commercial vehicle enforcement officer working in Minnesota. He knows the federal motor vehicle codes like no other. We have talked about this at length. He claims the language is "in furtherance of a commercial venture." Nothing about getting money or prizes. He knows there are plenty of cops that think it's prizes. He says if you put a sticker on your car for "Acme Muffler Service" and take it to the strip, or road course, you're now commercial. Period. End of story. Or put "Acme Muffler Service" on the door of your tow rig, boom goes the dynamite. You're commercial. Period. End of story. No RV plates allowed since you're not "recreational." All, and I mean ALL, commercial vehicle laws apply. Over 10k gross COMBINED weight, boom, you are now in the big leagues. Lots and lots of commercial regs. My son used to drive (no racing, no prizes, hahahaha) in TTU (at least I think that's the class, I was just the pit crew) NASA. I hated driving around with that car in the trailer knowing we could get some serious trouble. The only thing I let him put on the outside was a Chevy emblem sticker. Fortunately we never got stopped, and he's now sold the car.

Let's keep calling coaches that have a deck on the back for pulling a 5th wheel or goose neck a "Toter" or "Toter Home." Let's call the rigs that only have a bumper tow hitch a "Truck Conversion." Thanks!!
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So no commercial related stickers on car, truck conversion, or trailer other than just generic stuff and it is not commercial. Any sort of promotional stuff related to a business and then you are commercial. Thanks for clarifying the toter vs truck conversion thing.
And Petrol, you are right. I already have a short list of trucks I am considering.
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And Bob, your sons car is super bad ass cool.
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