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Old 01-15-2016, 11:18 AM   #1
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So my rig is an '03 and I'm pretty sure the Norcold 841 propane is original. I'm figuring it's not going to last much longer. I'm also kind of afraid of fire when it does fail. I decided to switch over to a residential (120 volt) fridge. I bought a Frigidaire FFTR1222QB. It's almost the same exterior dimensions as the Norcold. The Norcold is 8 cu. ft. The Frigidaire is 11.5. I found posts on other sites from people using this fridge with a power inverter and they were very happy. I don't presently have an inverter in my rig. I only have two deep cycle batteries for house 12 volt now. I decided to get an inverter just to run the fridge. I know a lot of people use a big inverter so they can run other 120v items. I wanted to keep my costs to a minimum. Not only the cost of the inverter, but the wiring also adds to the cost. Reports are that this particular fridge uses very low wattage. I bought a Xantrex Prowatt SW600 inverter. This is a pure sine wave unit. Less expensive inverters use modified sine wave. Some people say you shouldn't run a fridge on a msw inverter. I also bought the wire kit, fuse holder, and a automatic transfer switch. I got all this from Power Inverters | DonRowe.com. Pretty happy with their selection and cost.

I've gotta run now so I'll update in a bit.
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BOB ! can i have the parts out of your Norcold 841??? PLEASE.

i installed an ARP fridge monitor (shuts off the fridge if it over temps). If your still worried install an automatic fire extinguisher -

https://squareup.com/market/fire-and-life-safety

my inverter took a crap a while ago - never replaced it.

we just run the generator if we need ac current (tv, microwave, air conditioners)...otherwise we don't even need ac current (since the fridge is 12v/propane).

I've been considering the Xantrex Prosine 2 (2000w) they also make a 1000 watt version thats cheaper. I like the idea of the remote mounted control/panel and some of the auto on/off features (i don't need a charger since i already have one & this one can be disabled).
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Sorry Don, when I took the Norcold out I put an add on craigslist and had about 5 replies in a few hours. I gave it to the first guy. He's going to put it in a fish house (we fish on frozen lakes up here in MN you know.

After pulling out the Norcold I removed the copper gas line that ran down to the manifold near my propane tank. I got a galvanized plug to screw into the manifold where I removed the line. I need to plug the hole where the copper line came into the cabinet. Thinking maybe foam spray there? Or silicone sealant?

Next is cleaning up the side walls in the opening. The builder had lined both sides with fiberglass batting. I pulled that out and it's left a lot of scruffy remains. I tried vacuuming with the shop vac. It cleaned it up some, but not that great. I used some duct tape to stick it on and pull off. That takes a lot of it off but it's rather time consuming. Any ideas how to clean that up? I don't know how they applied the batting. I wonder if they used some adhesive spray?

I need to seal off the outside access vent panel. With the residential fridge you don't want the back of it exposed to the elements. I'm thinking of cutting a piece of rigid pink foam insulation board to fit the opening and glue it to the inside of that plastic panel?

Also need to seal off the roof vent cap. Thinking maybe the same as how I intend to seal the side vent.

If anybody has advice feel free to offer it up here.
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Let's see if I can get some pictures to work here.
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bummer but still went to a good home.

I'd use silicone sealant (thats what the mfg used) it won't attract water like the foam may.
You might want to use some thompsons water seal or something on the exposed (to the exterior) wood & then just insulate (blue foam board insulation?) the hole and leave the factor vent cover in place.

How many watts does that fridge consume?
I'll be curious to hear your experience / battery run time when dry camping.

I think while traveling you're fine, if your coach is like ours, where the engine alternator charges the house batteries.

My guess is you'll be hunting for some solar panels and a charger to help you keep those batteries topped up during the day so you can avoid the generator run time.
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I'm planning to leave the vent covers in place as original. Just need to insulate inside of them. I'm a little concerned about that roof vent. There is plywood up there from the roof. Thinking about maybe cutting a piece of plastic to seal off the vent up there under the roof vent. Then putting the foam board under that. I think if I can do that then if any water does manage to get in there it should stay up in that cavity until it evaporates.

There's a guy on another forum that has the same fridge. He said he runs his on a 400 watt modified sine wave and has for three years. He said he's only got two group 31 deep cycle and no solar. Said he can run it for a week without running the generator. I don't think I'll get that kind of run time. I'm happy to run the generator everyday for a bit. I think it's better to run it than not. I don't know about adding solar. I just don't want to spend a lot of money and I don't want to drill holes in the roof. I wonder about getting a solar panel and setting it up on a stand or something as needed?
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Next is cleaning up the side walls in the opening. The builder had lined both sides with fiberglass batting. I pulled that out and it's left a lot of scruffy remains. I tried vacuuming with the shop vac. It cleaned it up some, but not that great. I used some duct tape to stick it on and pull off. That takes a lot of it off but it's rather time consuming. Any ideas how to clean that up? I don't know how they applied the batting. I wonder if they used some adhesive spray?
Could you use a hand wire brush to remove the rest of the batting?
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I am going to be doing similar conversion on mine once it warms up. I have a "Notcold" 1200 (12 cu ft) model, and it is a POS. Will not get real cold if ambient temps outside are above mid 80's. Warm beer is for the UK guys, my Notcold must be a Lucas designed frig!

The typical replacement many use for this 1200 is the Samsung RF18 model, which is an 18 cu ft; same width and is counter depth. It also has nice low energy usage, I hear 350 watts vs around 600 for the 1200 on AC power. I bought the frig, but still need the inverter; I will look into your link provided. Then just do the installation work, which does involve some cabinetry mods, since the Samsung is approx 6-8 inches taller than the Notcold. I have storage drawers under the current 1200, so will lose those and then have to build new base floor for new frig. I am looking forward to the swap and having a frig that actually works good.

With doors off the Samsung, it is 24 inches, which will easily fit through my 26 inch side door opening.
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This is the set up I am planning for my coach. Please keep us posted.
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Old 01-18-2016, 05:45 PM   #10
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Just out of curiosity, what are the advantages of an all electric fridge over an electric/propane model? I see that the all electric models seem to be preferred in the newer coaches.
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